Please pick a link below:

SVVS Society Details
Map and Dates of Meetings
This Year's Meetings   (2021)
Last Year's Meetings  (2020)
Earlier  Meeting  Archives
Types of Society Vehicles 
Index to 40+ Picture Galleries 
HELP PAGE Car Identification
Contact us       Be a Member
Vintage Citroen Register RWD

Surrey Vintage Vehicle Society caters for veteran cars, vintage cars & classic cars, as well as commercials and motorcycles.

:: [  cca 1950 Official Car exhibited at the National Military Museum Beijing  ] ::

The following photo was received from Joe Kaprikorn currently based in Beijing, China. He recently visited the "The Military Museum of the Chinese People’s Revolution" in Beijing and took a photo of two cars. The description plate besides the cars read "Hong Qi (Red Flag) cars used by Chairman Mao & Premier Zhou". The car on the right he subsequently found out was a ZIS 110, but the one on the left remains un-named. He feels this too is likely to be some Soviet make. 

'Hong Qi' cars at the Beijing Military Museum

The car on the right is very obviously a ZIS. We can advise that we have dealt with an enquiry from Beijing on the subject of a ZIS 110 in Xinjiang in 2003 and had established some interesting history on the make. This is featured very briefly towards the bottom of our Help Page 2 and in detail on the ZIS 110 Information Page.

In brief the ZIS is a Russian car made by "ZIS" (Zavod Imieni Stalina) in Moscow. The origins of the model 110 were during the ZIS period when earlier cars had engines believed inspired by the Buick straight eight. The Model 110 came about as a result of a present given to Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili 'Stalin' by Franklin Delano Roosewelt of USA of a Packard Super Eight. This resulted in machines and dies being supplied to ZIS for production of an adaptation of the Packard Series 180.

Skoda VOS State Limousine

The car on the left  is of a similar period and is marked as Hong Qi, 'The Red Flag'  There seems to be massive confusion especially on the internet about the Hong Qi ‘Red Flag’ car.  From what can be made out, the Hong Qi car was made by the First Automotive Works (FAW) in Changchun. The company was initially set up to manufacture the Jiefan lorry. Their first car appears to have been the Dongfeng (East Wind), launched in 1958. (Donfeng seems also be a current car manufacturer elsewhere in China). Dongfeng car seems to have been based on cars obtained from Skoda (Octavia), Simca (Ariane), a Ford (Custom) and a Mercedes 190. The first  Dongfeng seems to have been presented to Mao in May 1958 in Beijing and was basically a production car. This was not the Hong Qi ‘Red Flag’ limousine, nor is it the above car. 

Some sources have the Hong Qi luxury sedan as launched by FAW in August 1958 and first Hong Qi open-top as launched in September 1958. However, as far as can be ascertained, in June 1958 Mao merely gave instructions for the commencement of the design of a limousine Hong Qi with a V8 engine which was to be based on a 1956 Chrysler Imperial and possibly also on the Soviet ZIL (ZIL being the renamed ZIS establishment.  It seems the development was quite complex and a static prototype was shown at the 1960 Geneva show. The first Hong Qi car photo we have been able to find was 1967. There are plenty of photographs on the net of Hong Qi cars, but they all are from the mid/late 1960s. There is nothing at all resembling cars of the late 1940s or 1950s.  Certainly the car on the right in the Military Museum is not a Red Flag, as it is obviously a 1950s ZIS 110. It seems it may have been presented to Mao by Stalin; a car based on a model presented to Stalin by Roosevelt

The car on the left is much more of a mystery. It  has a similarity to cca 1942 Chrysler or Dodge cars, with a hint of Simca and Skoda from the headlamp positions. Either way this too is not a mid 1960s Hong Qi. We had quite some difficulty in trying to identify this car and got nowhere. There was nothing like it made in China and nothing like it made in the USSR. The nearest was the GAZ Pobeda (later also made as the Warszawa in Poland) but the shape, dates, history and features did not match.

We contacted all our normal sources of external information and were eventually rewarded by being advised by GordonKebble in France that this is a  SKODA !  Skoda were of course were a very advanced manufacturer of high quality cars as Laurin & Klement. The merger with Skoda Plzen and subsequent 'ComEcon' period tarnished  the company name and reputation. Further investigation of the Skoda connection determined that Skoda Cars during the years 1948 to 1952 made a low production special limousine called the VOS, "Vladni Osobni Special", loosely translated as the 'Government Special Car'. It was made in the Skoda plant in Mlada Boleslav but is believed to have been based on a Tatra chassis, utilized the Praga truck engine and had the body made by Karosa (Sodomka as was). In retrospect the Skoda connection to China's first car the Dongfeng should have rung a much louder bell.  

What is particularly embarrassing for me personally is that in my earlier life during the Comecon period I used to visit all these factories regularly while trying to sell them British machine tools! 

1950 Skoda VOS-L Special Limousine

1950 Skoda VOS-L Special Limousine of the type that was supplied to Mao during the 1950-52 period


Return to The Web Assistance Page