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Ardingly Vintage Vehicle Show:
Maurice Drew, 12 Springfield Rd, Larkfield, Kent ME20 6JE
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The SVVS Website currently receives approximately 500,000 hits a year and the "HELP PAGE" is internationally the most visited 'page' on the site. We receive numerous e-mails from historians and motoring enthusiasts from all over the world with the request to identify vehicles from old photographs. We can help with identification of Classic cars because most of us are old enough to remember them as new, and owning Vintage or Veteran vehicles, many of us, and/or our associates, are also specialists in own make or type of vehicle  -   These Help Pages are therefore devoted to some of the interesting enquiries received, and information that we have provided :

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Page 35 below relates to enquiries received during 2011.Click on picture to enlarge

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1897 Panhard & Levassor Victoria
Very period photo received from Alistair MacLeod (UK) which he believes was taken in the 1890s outside 29 Park Crescent in Southport. The driver, his wife's Great Grandfather (Dr William Barrett GP), may have owned the first car in Southport. Her brother in front and wives in the back. The youngest of the three boys was born in 1891. --  Dating is quite accurate as this car is a French cca 1897 Panhard & Levassor Victoria.  P&L began making similar cars under Daimler licence in 1887.

1897 Panhard & Levassor Victoria

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1904 Brillie-Schneider SBS Racer
Another Photo received from Job van Huizen  (Holland) asking if the SVVS could help him identify this car. It took part in Circuit des Ardennes Commémoration in 2008.  -- Featured on the internet as having attended but it was not in the catalogue and all other mentions of it appear without a name. Our specialists could not come up with the manufacturer. It was subsequently identified elsewhere as a cca 1904 Brillie-Schneider SBS 45.7 M04,  when Brillie moved to  Schneider works.

1904 Brillie-Schneider SBS Racer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1906 White Steamer Touring
Three lovely photos received from Peter Maher Wilmslow, Cheshire (UK) of his wife's Grandparents, Grand Aunts and her G.Great-grand father sitting in various motor cars.  -- First photo is of a cca 1906 White Steamer, probably the 30HP Model G. John Warburton confirms this saying later Whites all seem to have a much taller steering column resulting in the steering wheel being placed much higher. White made steam cars to 1911, thereafter gasoline.  Car production ended  in 1918.

1906 White Steamer Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1906 Stuart Two Seater
Three lovely photos received from Peter Maher Wilmslow, Cheshire (UK) of his wife's Grandparents, Grand Aunts and her G.Great-grand father sitting in various motor cars.  -- Not one we knew but was a 'home fixture' for John Warburton, our specialist on Star cars. The car is in fact a cca 1906 Stuart Two-seater made by Star Cycle Co subsidiary of Star Motor Co in Wolverhampton. The A similar Stuart exists in the Isle of Man. In 1909 The Star Cycle changed to  BRITON , a separate co. 

1906_Stuart_Two-seater

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1906 Unic Landaulete Taxi
Photo received from Derrick Sutton (UK) helping his daughters future father in law with family tree. Date unknown, shows great grandfather Timothy Edward Hanlon, in 1911 Census as Motor Cab Driver. Services uniform?  -- Probably Taxi driver; hat seems correct and boots, taxi tag on the right breast pocket. Registration LN 5412 was issued by London County Council,  between November 1906 and March 1908;  say Autumn 1907. The car is a  cca1906  Unic  Landaulette  Taxi,  probably 10/12 HP. 

1906 Unic Landaulette Taxi  10'12Hp

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1909 Briton Two-Seater
Three lovely photos received from Peter Maher Wilmslow, Cheshire (UK) of his wife's Grandparents, Grand Aunts and her G.Great-grand father sitting in various motor cars.  -- Not one we knew but was a 'home fixture' for John Warburton, our specialist on Star cars. The car is in fact a cca1909 Briton Two-seater made by Star Cycle Co subsidiary of Star Motor Co in Wolverhampton that in 1909 became the BRITON. Note the  'stepney rim'  on back tyre  indicating  that the car had a puncture. 

1909 Briton Two-seater

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1909 Georges Roy Sporting Torpedo 
Link sent by Mark Dawber (New Zealand) to a photograph on Old Motor site awaiting investigation. Mark remained a bit puzzled.  --  Relatively sure this is a cca 1910 Georges Roy. Made in Bordeaux, France, in very small numbers and not well know out of its locality. Early cars recognisable by the round radiator; later had bullnose rad. Surprisingly the company lasted 1906 to 1929 and even made some commercial vehicles.  -  Diederichs  cca 1912 had  similar rad  but badge was winged.

1909 Georges Roy Sporting Torpedo

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1910 Douglas and 1915 Napier
Another photo on the Old Motor website awaiting investigation. Suggested that the machines may be British, photographed in Britain.  -- Yes indeed, both British. The motorcycle is a cca 1910 Douglas 347cc Model C flat twin registered at East Suffolk County Council. The car appears to have been registered in Ross & Cromarty probably 1905/6 so possibly a transferred numberplate because the car was confirmed by John Warburton as probably being cca1911 Napier 15HP two-seater.

1910 Douglas Model C & 1911 Napier 15HP Two-seater

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1910 Rainier Model F Touring
Another photo on the Old Motor website awaiting investigation. Suggested it might be a Belgian Germain  --  Identified by Layden as an American cca 1910 Rainier Touring made in Saginaw, Michigan. The primary pointer seems to be the drag link being prominently ahead of the axle. Most other cars of a ’round’ type bonnet have it behind. Also the louvres go only half way up the bonnet, whereas most go way higher. Germain generally had no louvers.  Make was between 1905-11.

1910 Rainier Model F Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1911 Napier Landaulette
Enlargement of the back of the 1918 Ford Model T Photo received from Andrew Parfitt (UK) saying the passengers are his relatives, but they probably did not own the car. He thinks it dates from the early 1920s, and was probably taken in the Mansfield area. --  The car in the background could be a taxi in which they arrived. The car is a cca 1911 Napier Landaulette or Landau, and may well have been a taxi as Napier made more Taxis than cars in 1910. Otherwise a very up-market make.

cca 1911 Napier Landaulet

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1912 Unic Landaulete Taxi
Two photos received from Lin Sinton, Sydney (Australia) of taxi driven by wife's maternal grandfather Charles Brookes who operated a fleet of taxis in Fulham, London. Photo from fashions about 1920 but car earlier?  -- Vehicle is a cca 1912 Unic Landaulette Taxi. Unic were made in France but many were imported into UK as taxis. The registration LE 4897 was issued by London County Council spring 1912.  Fitted with oil lamps.  Electrics in use by 1914.  Car looks relatively new so soon after.

1912 Unic LandauletteTaxi

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1912 Chalmers Touring
Rather grand photo of Detroit Police car being investigated by AACA . Interesting to note the the ram raider type bumper at the front, a soft windscreen that can be rolled up (wont stop many bullets that !) and the rather agricultural rear hurricane lamp (I wonder at what speed it blows out?).  -- Our thoughts because of the step-down chassis below rear door, air intake grille on  front of flat bulkhead and badge outline all say cca 1911 Chalmers Touring but West says that front doors denote 1912.

1912 Chalmers Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 De Dion Bouton Tourer
Photo received from Job van Huizen  (Holland) asking if the SVVS could help him identify this car. It took part in a Belgian event (Brussels) in about 2007. He has no information on the car  --  This car has been seen on European rallies and is a 1913 De Dion Bouton Tourer, probably the Model DH. De Dion Bouton & Trepardoux started manufacturing steam cars in 1883, turned to petrol driven cars about 1900 and were for quite a time the  largest  manufacturer of  vehicles in the world.  Ended 1932.

1913 De Dion Bouton Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1914 Humber TT Works
Another Photo received from Job van Huizen  (Holland) asking if the SVVS could help him identify this car. It took part in Circuit des Ardennes Commémoration in 2008.  -- Peugeot like radiator, but is a works 1914 Humber TT as indicated on a previous VCC dating plate. Much confused by registration L 4770 issued by Glamorgan County Council in Wales in 1919. This car is known to the Humber register as the only survivor of three built and did once carry DU Coventry registration.

1914 Humber Works TT

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1915 Studebaker SD Touring
Photo received from John L Jones (UK) found amongst old ephemera, but cannot decide if it is family or just something collected over the years! The photo is taken in England - possibly Essex, late 1930's. The people in the motor could be his Great Aunt and her friends. It looks 1930s.  -- Vehicle can be dated from the registration which was issued by Wiltshire County Council in 1915. Identification of the car helped by name part hidden by numberplate. It is ca1915 Studebaker SD Touring.

1915 Studebaker SD Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1916 Ford Model T Special Pick-up
Puzzling photo received from Peter Metcalfe, Flintshire, (UK) asking for identification.  --  Dating is very difficult because  vehicle looks to be a 'special' based on a Model T Two Seater Runabout. The rear part of the body appears bit home-made and later. Rounded bonnet so 1916 or later. Windscreen is 'special' so does not help with dating. The Registration was issued by Wiltshire County Council, - in 1906 ! Guess an American import, restored in 1960s, with plate from something earlier. 

1916 Ford Model T Special Pick-up

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1916 Overland Model 83 Touring
Two lovely photos submitted to us by Pamela Leach Assistant Director of Operations, Seven Falls in Colorado Springs (USA). She is currently creating a display of vintage photographs for 'Seven Falls' found in their achieves but cannot find anyone who can tell her what kind of autos they are. The photo was headed "Mule - Model T".  --  Correct on the mule, but wrong on the Model T. Identified by Layden of the AACA as an American  cca1916  Overland  Model 80  Touring  made  in  Toledo  Ohio. 

1916 Overland Model 83 Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1917 Velie Six Touring
Another cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in an American film "East of Eden" made in 1955, where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. Written by John Steinbeck and featuring Julie Harris and James Dean  --  The car is relatively unusual being a cca 1917 Velie Touring, possibly the "Biltwel Six", made in the USA at Moline Illinois. 1909 High-wheeler maker married into John Deere family, and due good cars, had a  town  named after car in Luisiana. Closed in 1929. 

1917 Vellie Six Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1918 Ford Model T Touring
Photo received from Andrew Parfitt (UK) saying the passengers are his relatives, but they probably did not own the car. It looks as though they were posing for the shot in a park (or similar) rather than on the road. He thinks it dates from the early 1920s, and was probably taken in the Mansfield area. --  This car is a cca 1918 Model T Touring so could have been built in England. In 1914 they made 7310 cars, 29% of all UK car production, and largest number from a  single  manufacturer in Europe.

cca 1918 Ford Model T Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1923 New Hudson Motorcycle
Photo received from Sophie Gibbons, Berkshire, (UK) trying to put together a family history book for kids. She and sister are the last in the line of family name. Picture is of Nan on a motorcycle.  -- This has been quite a difficult one but we are relatively sure we cracked it. The motorcycle is a cca 1923 New Hudson. As not much of the bike can be seen, especially engine, handlebars, relatively short and downward pointed, are useful pointer to age. Not possible to pinpoint model or cc. 

cca 1923 New Hudson

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1926 Pierce Arrow Touring
Two lovely photos submitted to us by Pamela Leach Assistant Director of Operations, Seven Falls in Colorado Springs (USA). She is currently creating a display of vintage photographs for 'Seven Falls' found in their achieves but cannot find anyone who can tell her what kind of autos they are.  --  The headlamps in the wings are very much the give-away. The rather grand Tourer is a cca1926 Pierce Arrow Touring, probably the Series 80.  Pierce Arrows were built in  Buffalo  New York  1901 to 1938.

1926 Pierce Arrow Series 80 Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1927 Oakland Six Roadster
Another cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in the American 1972-81 series "The Waltons", featuring John Boy and the famous goodnight sequence during the closing titles, where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB.   --  The relatively unique rectangular surround of the radiator top housing a circular badge is recognisable as cca 1927 Oakland and the golf bag door in the side confirms it as a Roadster. Made in Pontiac and named after local area  Oakland County.

1927 Oakland Six Roadster

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1937 Nash LaFayette Six
Three photos received from Aad Streng, Eindhoven, (Netherlands) who is busy writing the history of his family transport business. He came across a number of pictures of old trucks and cars that he was not not able to identify and wondered if our organization would be able to help him with his search. This photo relates to his father pictured as taxi driver and must have been taken before WW2. --  The car is American,  a cca 1937 Nash LaFayette Six Sedan, and looks quite new in the photo. 

1937 Nash LaFayette Six Sedan

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1937 Ford Model 48 'Special'
Photo received from Iain Nicolson, East Calderm, West Lothian, (UK) found among late father-in-law's belongings - he is passenger in the car. Lived in Edinburgh; photo has a Glasgow photographer's stamp  --  The car is definitely a 'special', much modified from the original, which was a Ford Model 48. These were made in USA and in UK, so it could be a UK model made November 1936 to December 1937. Registration is Govan/Glasgow Borough Council issued between April and June 1937.

1937 Ford Model 48 Trials Special

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1937 Delahate Rad Surround
Photograph of a British stock car taken in 1964 in which there is a radiator grille that baffles David Kipling of Bc, (Canada). He has looked at BSA, Rover, Wolseley, Singer, but no matches.  -- Photo has done the rounds of all our experts including USA but nobody has come up with a positive ID. Many cars of  1930 period had similar radiator surrounds. The triangular badge of the French Delahaye would fit; and David was subsequently advised by owner it was from a 1937 Delahaye.

Unknown 1930s Radiator Surround

PHOTOS NOT YET IDENTIFIED: YOUR  H E L P  IS NEEDED PLEASE !

As can be seen from our Help Pages we normally do succeed in identifying practically all vehicle photos which we receive. Occasionally some photos may take time and very occasionally we get stuck. Clicking on the photo on the right opens the page containing some photos we are yet to crack ! Any help would be very much appreciated.

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